Comments for BIM + Integrated Design http://bimandintegrateddesign.com confronting the forces that create an immunity to change Thu, 28 Jun 2012 16:12:54 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ Comment on The State of IPD and BIM: an Owner’s Perspective by T Zigo http://bimandintegrateddesign.com/2012/02/27/the-state-of-ipd-and-bim-an-owners-perspective/#comment-5605 Thu, 28 Jun 2012 16:12:54 +0000 http://bimandintegrateddesign.com/?p=1213#comment-5605 I beg to differ, and I will do so from a purely subjective but somewhat insider position on the IPD and BIM fluff associated with the “Owner” as outlined in this article. First, it is not my intent to disagree with the established belief that an integrated project delivery, no matter how we label it is a more effective way by which all of the design and construction projects should be delivered. However I take a great offence when the statements on successful IPD and, within the context of IPD, BIM enabled projects are coming from an organization that still doesn’t understand what BIM is.
As far as labeling BIM as a “tool”, I see that as a fundamental misunderstanding of digital project delivery and its implication of the process change, to the point that the methodology is not a tool. For an owner that has absolutely no use for the information rich data sets (“the author of the article should do some fact checking”), coming from designers and contractors, these comments on 100% BIM, or IPD defining the scope of BIM are at least disingenuous.
In regard to Lean being an end and BIM being a way to get there, I’d say good luck executing BIM without Lean being the starting point and the underpinning of properly executed BIM. Lean is not the end, and as correctly stated in the article it is a philosophy, but that philosophy is the modus operandi for both the process of IPD, and methodology of BIM.

]]> Comment on How to Learn Revit in 1000 Difficult Lessons by Anton http://bimandintegrateddesign.com/2011/03/01/how-to-learn-revit-in-1000-difficult-lessons/#comment-5396 Mon, 18 Jun 2012 13:03:19 +0000 http://bimandintegrateddesign.com/?p=741#comment-5396 I’d really like to have your advice. I am REALLY interested in learning REVIT and become a professional certified Revit expert. Do you think this could be possible without having the appropriate university degree? In short, do you think I would be considered by any Revit schools or architectural firms? Hope to hear from you!

]]> Comment on 36 Arguments for the Existence of BIM by Chris http://bimandintegrateddesign.com/2011/02/24/36-arguments-for-the-existence-of-bim/#comment-3965 Thu, 29 Mar 2012 16:18:08 +0000 http://bimandintegrateddesign.com/?p=718#comment-3965 AIrplanes is built using PLM not just 3d modelling. The business processes evolved from 3d modelling to DMU then now for the most advances airplaines companies into PLM including lean manufacturing. In terms of collaborative processes shared in a collaborative environment among owner and tier n suppliers, there is analogy with building. The challenge within AEC is cultural. How to adapt the best process coming from other industry to building process. And BIM alone is not sufficient.
Chris

]]> Comment on The State of IPD and BIM: an Owner’s Perspective by Andrew Abernathy http://bimandintegrateddesign.com/2012/02/27/the-state-of-ipd-and-bim-an-owners-perspective/#comment-3755 Sun, 11 Mar 2012 21:46:49 +0000 http://bimandintegrateddesign.com/?p=1213#comment-3755 P,
I often find $/sf values misleading and inconclusive when you get into their makeup, so I’m not sure what you are trying to get at. If the point you are trying to make is IPD is a rational delivery method, I would agree with you. If you are advocating for the same as before, then I would only point to the millions of projects which have wasted trillions of $$ with competitive bidding.
Conventional contract methods are adversarial in their nature, protecting the originator of the agreement and proven managers must deal with that contentious environment those traditional instruments encourage. While I agree with both Clay and Dawn that the contract is not the magic potion for successful IPD, I would lobby for something other than the traditional AIA, AGC….. agreements when working in a highly collaborative and risk reducing environment.
One of the primary tenants of IPD is increase value by reducing risk. Traditional agreements do not provide any mechanism for rewarding this new behavior. Yet I have worked with traditional agreements when this was the stated goal of the Owner. In the end our only reward was a better job for the Owner at the same fee with greater number of hours and less initial profit. Later on we found ways to extend the traditional agreements to help compensate all the major team members. In these situations BIM was used, but it wasn’t a driver for behavior change, business incentives drove the change in relationships.

]]> Comment on The State of IPD and BIM: an Owner’s Perspective by P Nillup http://bimandintegrateddesign.com/2012/02/27/the-state-of-ipd-and-bim-an-owners-perspective/#comment-3702 Wed, 07 Mar 2012 11:59:50 +0000 http://bimandintegrateddesign.com/?p=1213#comment-3702 As I go to the linked URLs, I see the Cathedral Hill Hospital came in at $1,200/sf. Recently I noted the new Yale School of Mgt at $800/sf. This cost level is not prudent. When you commit to your contractors first, and then talk cost you are going to have cooperative, happy, rich contractors.
IPD is a philosophy to extend the design period, meaning more designers working more hours with more software. These result in two clear winners: groups with billable hours and software companies.
If you want to have bloggers praising you as being erudite, then go with IPD. If you are shrewd, have proven managers perform with the appropriate conventional contract methods.

]]> Comment on The State of IPD and BIM: an Owner’s Perspective by Marc Howell http://bimandintegrateddesign.com/2012/02/27/the-state-of-ipd-and-bim-an-owners-perspective/#comment-3686 Tue, 06 Mar 2012 15:18:21 +0000 http://bimandintegrateddesign.com/?p=1213#comment-3686 Excellent interview. I could not agree more. This is exactly what I have been trying to say for the last three years.

Thank you.

]]> Comment on The State of IPD and BIM: an Owner’s Perspective by Walter Broner http://bimandintegrateddesign.com/2012/02/27/the-state-of-ipd-and-bim-an-owners-perspective/#comment-3675 Mon, 05 Mar 2012 20:25:29 +0000 http://bimandintegrateddesign.com/?p=1213#comment-3675 I like the comment “People don’t resist change – they resist risk.” Wish I had said that…
Good interview, in that the interviewees give some terrifically nuanced answers.

]]> Comment on The State of IPD and BIM: an Owner’s Perspective by Where are we with IPD these days? | Boiled Architecture http://bimandintegrateddesign.com/2012/02/27/the-state-of-ipd-and-bim-an-owners-perspective/#comment-3632 Thu, 01 Mar 2012 16:26:45 +0000 http://bimandintegrateddesign.com/?p=1213#comment-3632 [...] Deutch’s interview with Clay Goser and Dawn Naney, who serve as owner representatives on collaborative building [...]

]]> Comment on The State of IPD and BIM: an Owner’s Perspective by Steve Martin http://bimandintegrateddesign.com/2012/02/27/the-state-of-ipd-and-bim-an-owners-perspective/#comment-3625 Wed, 29 Feb 2012 18:01:46 +0000 http://bimandintegrateddesign.com/?p=1213#comment-3625 Randy,
Your interview with Dawn and Clay could not be more timely. Thank you. It is obvious our present processes are broken, are no longer valid and unrealistic. BJC Healthcare’s call for a change in AECO behavior for project participants resonates as truthful, sensible, and indispensable. Perhaps we should start by developing a new narrative for the true value of BIM and IPD. We need a bit of truth surrounding the real effort, and its corresponding value, to design and deliver through the IPD process. Thanks again.

]]> Comment on The State of IPD and BIM: an Owner’s Perspective by Steve Haber http://bimandintegrateddesign.com/2012/02/27/the-state-of-ipd-and-bim-an-owners-perspective/#comment-3624 Wed, 29 Feb 2012 17:57:23 +0000 http://bimandintegrateddesign.com/?p=1213#comment-3624 great interview. thanks for posting it for us all.

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